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Title: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: malibuconvertible on September 20, 2024, 01:32:16 PM
Hi everyone, I'm looking for some information on some tracks I haven't been able to find from a Ceefax compilation I downloaded in mp3 from I don't know where many years ago. I've scoured the internet, discogs etc for proper artist/track/source information and these are the tunes I still haven't been able to track down yet:

Here's a link to the tracks: hxxps://mega.nz/folder/eMolDQpI#28QTMvhON3TL9Ve3PLCpzA

And this is the artwork that was on the mp3s (in case anyone here remembers making the compilation!):
(https://i.ibb.co/DMKg4ck/ceefax-cover.jpg)


The only real mention of The Martinez Players I could find was this thread (https://librarymusicthemes.com/index.php?topic=4970.msg34303) here from a couple of years ago where John_Fred states they're not the correct artist/title names, so I'm hoping someone can shed some light on the correct details for those or any of the other tracks above?


Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: CAngley on September 21, 2024, 01:20:34 AM
Quote from: malibuconvertible on September 20, 2024, 01:32:16 PM
The only real mention of The Martinez Players I could find was this thread (https://librarymusicthemes.com/index.php?topic=4970.msg34303) here from a couple of years ago where John_Fred states they're not the correct artist/title names, so I'm hoping someone can shed some light on the correct details for those or any of the other tracks above?

This is a big issue, in all truthfulness - the official term is "gibbs-ification", though I have no clue where that's from. I think Whitson/Rogers/Day is a Funtastik Music track, though, so I'll go through and see if I can't find that for you. Martinez Players, unfortunately, is a name that nobody knows the answer to atm
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: Lord Thames on September 21, 2024, 02:13:12 AM
'Impatience' - Martinez Players is actually 'Sunburned Hip' by Himiko Kikuchi discogs.com/release/4239020-Himiko-Kikuchi-Woman

'Hidden Light' is a Czechoslovakian radio recording, further details unknown (at the moment)

'In The Open' is 'Latin Mixture' by Rene Costy and The Strings Orchestra discogs.com/release/4056684-René-Costy-The-Strings-Orchestra-

'Gibbsville' is 'Honey Craker' by Rene Costy and The Strings Orchestra, as above

Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: nidostar on September 21, 2024, 11:29:16 AM
Quote from: Lord Thames on September 21, 2024, 02:13:12 AM
'Hidden Light' is a Czechoslovakian radio recording, further details unknown (at the moment)
I have Hidden Light down as aka Spiral by The Johnny Peters Orchestra. It's on Apple Music and sounds like the same track. Does that help?

EDIT: And Baja Blue Shazam tells me is San Delgado by Al Dickinson from Themes For Home Video #5 also on Apple Music. Again it sounds the same. Blowy Days Shazam says is Outward Bound by Alan Dickinson & Roderick Hancock. I haven't been able to find a version of it on-line to verify but appears to be from the Moments Music Library album MML003 Children's Moments.
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: Lord Thames on September 21, 2024, 01:33:48 PM
Quote from: nidostar on September 21, 2024, 11:29:16 AM
Quote from: Lord Thames on September 21, 2024, 02:13:12 AM
'Hidden Light' is a Czechoslovakian radio recording, further details unknown (at the moment)
I have Hidden Light down as aka Spiral by The Johnny Peters Orchestra. It's on Apple Music and sounds like the same track. Does that help?

It's the same track, but the title, artist and composer are fake - or at the very least, not the actual people responsible!  More details about these Czechoslovakian radio tracks are gradually coming to light, thanks in part to a show on Radio Regina in Slovakia which plays archive recordings of the radio orchestras, and the odd one from Ceefax turns up every now and then.

There are strong similarities to Josef Vobruba and the Czechoslovak Radio Dance Orchestra's version of 'Prosty Lek', arranged by Vlastimil Hála, which makes me think there may be a connection there:

Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: nidostar on September 21, 2024, 02:09:00 PM
@malibuconvertible I think you may have downloaded the compilation from Slothy's Pigeonshit blog (https://slothyspigeonshit.blogspot.com/2010/03/ceefax.html). It's sadly been defunct since 2010. Maybe he's still out fixing his tractor (see his blog's comments)!
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: CAngley on September 21, 2024, 02:14:52 PM
Quote from: nidostar on September 21, 2024, 11:29:16 AM
Blowy Days Shazam says is Outward Bound by Alan Dickinson & Roderick Hancock. I haven't been able to find a version of it on-line to verify but appears to be from the Moments Music Library album MML003 Children's Moments.

Here's Outward Bound - on YT, unfortunately, but if it's the right one, then it's the right one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqiBhBhXw0M
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: nidostar on September 21, 2024, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: C201number2_1 on September 21, 2024, 02:14:52 PM
Quote from: nidostar on September 21, 2024, 11:29:16 AM
Blowy Days Shazam says is Outward Bound by Alan Dickinson & Roderick Hancock. I haven't been able to find a version of it on-line to verify but appears to be from the Moments Music Library album MML003 Children's Moments.

Here's Outward Bound - on YT, unfortunately, but if it's the right one, then it's the right one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqiBhBhXw0M
Yes I found that but it says the video is unavailable despite my using a VPN. However I've managed to find a 30s demo on the Qobuz US site and can confirm it is the same track. So another one ticked off the list!
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: malibuconvertible on September 21, 2024, 03:20:02 PM
Thank you for the help so far everyone, this has been a really helpful start, I've already found several of the tracks suggested. :)
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: malibuconvertible on September 25, 2024, 09:01:52 AM
Here's a few of what I've found so far (full albums), thanks again for the help. :)
I'll update this post with more as I find them.

Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: nidostar on September 25, 2024, 10:20:16 PM
Quote from: malibuconvertible on September 25, 2024, 09:01:52 AM
Here's a few of what I've found so far (full albums), thanks again for the help. :)
I'll update this post with more as I find them.

  • Children's Moments - hxxps://pixeldrain.com/u/J9hXMm6t
  • Johnny Peters Orchestra - Bright Orchestral - hxxps://pixeldrain.com/u/42iZMLQX
  • René Costy - The Strings Orchestra - hxxps://pixeldrain.com/u/oXDrf363
Glad you were able to track these albums down. And thanks for sharing them with us. I was struck by the poor audio quality of Johnny Peters's track Spiral when compared to the lossy version that was originally on Slothy's website. I ran it through Lossless Audio Checker which reckons that all the tracks on that album have been upsampled. The same is true of Children's Moments so not true lossless, I'm afraid. Though the René Costy album is the genuine article.
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: malibuconvertible on September 26, 2024, 06:34:10 AM
Darn it, well in that case I still need to keep them on my list, I did notice the quality of the Johnny Peters album and just put it down to a poor rip or something, thanks for the tech info!
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: CAngley on October 23, 2024, 01:11:09 AM
Quote from: malibuconvertible on September 25, 2024, 09:01:52 AM
Here's a few of what I've found so far (full albums), thanks again for the help. :)
I'll update this post with more as I find them.

LINKS REMOVED FOR THE SAKE OF POST LENGTH


Here's a list of what tracks, to my own researched knowledge, are now available in HQ (after all, anything is better than VHS-quality), starting with the Johnny Peters Orchestra:
Europa Time tracks 3, 4, and 5 - Ready to Go, Head Over Heels, Spiral
Everything You Need track 2 - New York Rain
Somewhere In My Heart tracks 16 and 17 - Only One Heart, Midnite Star (These also correspond to Winter Sun tracks 4 and 5)
LGFG2 tracks 7 and 8 - Mexicana, My Style

There could be other tracks used on early 90s tapes, but those I don't know about. The same for the most part to MML03, with 2 exceptions, those being Choco Coca tracks 10 and 11 (Dance In The Magic Forest and Mon Frere Jacques, respectively). As for Rene Costy, I have no clue what tracks were done by them.
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: malibuconvertible on October 24, 2024, 06:50:39 AM
Thanks for the info C201number2_1.  :)
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: CAngley on October 25, 2024, 01:07:35 AM
Quote from: TwilightBreak1990 on October 24, 2024, 12:16:42 PM
Tracks 5, 6, 16 and 20 are from Rolling Along. Does anyone have track 13 of Stretching please?

5, 6, 16 and 20 of what? What album? Where do they fit into Rolling Along? Also, what even is track 13 of Stretching? I've only heard the first 10 tracks in HQ.
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: CAngley on October 26, 2024, 12:24:28 AM
Quote from: TwilightBreak1990 on October 25, 2024, 11:00:28 AM
Rolling Along was a Ceefax album first aired in 1998. Stretching was a Ceefax tape from 1989. I

Let me clarify - you said
"Tracks 5, 6, 16 and 20 are from Rolling Along. Does anyone have track 13 of Stretching please?"
I am asking the following questions:
Tracks 5, 6, 16, and 20 of what album?
Where in Rolling Along do those tracks mentioned above fit into?
And what does Track 13 of Stretching sound like? Do you have audio of said track, or any description of the track?
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: radioman on May 01, 2025, 07:57:02 AM

This is a big issue, in all truthfulness - the official term is "gibbs-ification", though I have no clue where that's from.
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"gibbs-ification" is a reference to music publisher Fay Gibbs. The business is now run by Fay's daughter, Paige.  hxxps://www.gibbsmusicservices.com/about 
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: nidostar on May 01, 2025, 01:07:49 PM
Yes I've visited the Gibbs website. Oddly very pale font colour made me think I had cataracts!! May be a stoopid question but has anyone ever tried contacting them to see if they have a cross reference of original/current titles of music?
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: malibuconvertible on July 30, 2026, 12:12:40 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to add this here for posterity and information sake as I found info on one of the missing tracks:

Whitson, Rogers, Day - Turn On The Light = Automatic Reflex, track 13 on FUN 1040 Retro 80's
https://www.discogs.com/release/11265010-Grossart-Burns-Williams-Retro-80s (https://www.discogs.com/release/11265010-Grossart-Burns-Williams-Retro-80s)

Still only have it in lossy format, but it's nice to strike another unknown track off the list at least. :)

Here's the full album in mp3 if anyone wants it: hxxps://mega.nz/folder/W5wmhZjY#mslayPMjlNCr3V4OSRD3XgEdit - I'll leave the mp3 link up if anyone wants it, but you can find the lossless version here (https://librarymusicthemes.com/index.php?topic=11857.msg78404).
Title: Re: Ceefax compilation track IDs and upgrades.
Post by: John_Fred on August 16, 2026, 04:03:46 PM
I don't know if this sheds any new information on de-Gibbsifying track names; but here is it anyway.  I forgot I'd spent time doing this until recently.

Supreme Comfort/Chillin’ Out
Moonlight Song/Close Ups
Time Can Tell/Sandshoes
Lambay Island/Let’s Get Away
Avanti/Cool ‘n’ Smooth
True Note/Golden Adventures
Silken Lady/Sweet Allure
To The Future/Night Runners
Indigo Bay/Sun Lover
Love In The Spring/Tender Moments
Magic Charm/After Dark
All Good Things/Ritmika
Diamond Promises/Seven Eleven
Moonlight Crystal/Listen Closely
Just George/The City Feel
Wait A While/Three A.M. Again

Stretching/The Stretch
Out And About/NightWalkin’
Arrival/Aftertalk
Prunes And Custard/Light As A Feather
Fit For Fun/Work Your Body
Lovesetter/Eternally Yours
Bolivian Paradise/Earls Court
One Stop Love/Feel Like Dancing
Raindancin’/Tinkle Twinkle
Swampin’/Southern Haze
Albuquerque Park/Second Wave
Inverness Romance/Solar Fire
Lovestruck/Tamla Reaction
Bedtiming/Sensuous
Hooker Creek/Open Box
Karuba/Double Feature
Zelida/Clear Winter Evening
Cirella/Sensual Games
Sugar City/Hold Onto My Love
Treviso/Late At Night
Saskatchewan Ranger/Behind The Shadows