Library Music Themes
General Sharing & Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: kablamatic on August 09, 2023, 05:37:56 AM
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So I've noticed on APM Music and KPM Music's websites that there are two albums with tracks that have different titles with their respective track duration and description, but with the same audio. The first one is KPM 1039 "LIGHT IMITATIONS - VOL. III", in which "Walks For Ormot" by James Clarke has the same audio as "Fun on the Run" by Steve Gray. I had recently downloaded a vinyl rip of "Walks For Ormot" on Soulseek to verify this and found that the audio in that track is, in fact, completely different to what you hear on APM. Must be a mistake on the web developer/programmer's part for adding the wrong audio.
The second album, KPM 1329 "The Editor's Companion - Volume 4", however, has an even greater issue. I feel like some versions of a similar track sound completely the same, if not any slightly different. So I was wondering if anyone has a copy of KPM 1329 lying around and could possibly rip the correct versions (in parentheses) of these tracks to avoid confusion: "Cartoon Coda" (d, e, i, + j), "Lighting the Fuse" (b + c), "Shock Horror" (b + c), "Comic Tension" (a - f), "Nice Neighbors" (c + f), "Down the Pan" (b + c), "Family Life" (c, d, f, + g), and "Fairy Dust" (c + d). Only the digital version originally downloaded by BlackwatchPlaid has been shared by numerous users on Soulseek, but no vinyl rip of this album exists on there sadly.
Many thanks in advance! This has been getting frustrating for me much recently.
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Your post is an interesting though slightly annoying discovery.Re KPM 1039 I have a handful of examples of both pieces of music sourced from shares on LMT and they are identical. The same is true of the many versions I found on YT and elsewhere on the internet. Walks For Ormot seems to have become the Where's Wally of library music! I wonder if Retronic has the LP of KPM 1039? If they are different on that it would seem to confirm that the error crept in when KPM digitised the tracks. But, a bit iike a virus, one song seems to have obliterated another. I wonder if there are other examples? Another slight niggle I've noticed is that some websites quote the title of the album as Light Intimations rather than Light Imitations.
I don't have a copy of KPM 1329 so cannot comment. But, again, I wonder if Retronic has a copy in vinyl that could put these issues to bed?
I don't know how approachable KPM are but would it be worth asking them if they are aware of these apparent errors?
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So I've noticed on APM Music and KPM Music's websites that there are two albums with tracks that have different titles with their respective track duration and description, but with the same audio. The first one is KPM 1039 "LIGHT IMITATIONS - VOL. III", in which "Walks For Ormot" by James Clarke has the same audio as "Fun on the Run" by Steve Gray.
Wow. So indeed. That's not good. Thanks for sharing this bit of sleuthing, kablamatic.
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So I just emailed APM Music about this situation and I'm awaiting a response.
Hopefully they can get to the bottom of this.
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I do have both LPs. Can check tomorrow
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And on the Coloursound LP "Pleasure Trip" Ales Sigmond's "Kokiriko" & Gregor Narholz's "Glucksbringer" Have the same audio.
KPM owns Coloursound, so it's probably the same case.
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KPM 1039: It is Intimations and not Imitations as stated on Amazon.
Here is 'Walks For Ormot', along with 'Fun On The Run' for good measure.
pixeldrain.com/u/EHb1ZrQF
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KPM 1329: Annoying my laptop is dropping out bits of the file so tracks are missed- A42 and The Down the Pan I think.
Hopefully there's enough there to do most of it and at least check- I would've done them again but it's all switched off now- that laptop takes an age to open so will need to be another day.
pixeldrain.com/u/Lr3gZeyB
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CS 75 - Pleasure Trip:
A3 and B3: pixeldrain.com/u/i5RuuK9r
I've seen this error before where someone is labelling on a cue list and they write the track from the wrong side down and all sorts of confusion ensues. I'm sure the original handwritten Dawn Of The Dead cue sheet had this error on there. Similarly, in Russ Meyer's 'Vixen' where she does "the fish dance" he uses A1 Detroit from Mini-Skirt on De Wolfe, but B1 is called Striptease which is most likely what took the editor to that record. Perhaps they used it thinking it was called 'Striptease' or they just put the wrong side on and decided it went well with the scene. These little tid-bits fascinate me.
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KPM 1329: Annoying my laptop is dropping out bits of the file so tracks are missed- A42 and The Down the Pan I think.
Hopefully there's enough there to do most of it and at least check- I would've done them again but it's all switched off now- that laptop takes an age to open so will need to be another day.
pixeldrain.com/u/Lr3gZeyB
Comic Tension (b) from the digital album was likely duplicated from the CD version of KPM 1328/KPM 1329.
And I found the missing track from the 1986 Beatrix Potter video. Family Life (c).
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Bonus 🙂
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KPM 1039: It is Intimations and not Imitations as stated on Amazon.
Thanks, Retro, for providing both examples and helping to put this issue to bed. I agree it should be Intimations in keeping with Volumes I, II and IV in the series even though I erroneously appeared to be arguing the opposite in my post above! The curious thing is that APM's own website and (in France) KPM's representative site MYMA wrongly lists the album as Imitations. No wonder there are numerous examples of "Light Imitations" on YT. I therefore fear for the future for Walks For Ormot and that it may completely disappear without trace much as the Maya civilisation did!! Your share may be the last living example of that track. :)
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KPM 1039: It is Intimations and not Imitations as stated on Amazon.
Thanks, Retro, for providing both examples and helping to put this issue to bed. I agree it should be Intimations in keeping with Volumes I, II and IV in the series even though I erroneously appeared to be arguing the opposite in my post above! The curious thing is that APM's own website and (in France) KPM's representative site MYMA wrongly lists the album as Imitations. No wonder there are numerous examples of "Light Imitations" on YT. I therefore fear for the future for Walks For Ormot and that it may completely disappear without trace much as the Maya civilisation did!! Your share may be the last living example of that track. :)
About KPM 1329, the tracks that have been looped were replaced by the CD version of the album. The vinyl tracks might have conflicted with the metadata on EMI/KPM's behalf.
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Bonus 🙂
What's also missing is
A42 - Comic Tension (a)
A54 - Nice Neighbours (c)
B16 - Down the Pan (b)
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The digital version of KPM 1223 Small Is Beautiful also had a fault, 'Praying Mantis' and 'Queen Ant' are the same track repeated - I think Queen Ant is the one that's been missed off
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I probably already have that ripped as it was used a lot in ‘Prisoner’
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Bonus 🙂
What's also missing is
A42 - Comic Tension (a)
A54 - Nice Neighbours (c)
B16 - Down the Pan (b)
Thanks musictheorist. I've enjoyed the Cartoon Coda tracks and the two Nice Neighbours that were included. But you clearly had issues ripping this album such that there are a large number missing. Is there any chance you could re-rip it?
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CS 75 - Pleasure Trip:
A3 and B3: pixeldrain.com/u/i5RuuK9r
I've seen this error before where someone is labelling on a cue list and they write the track from the wrong side down and all sorts of confusion ensues. I'm sure the original handwritten Dawn Of The Dead cue sheet had this error on there. Similarly, in Russ Meyer's 'Vixen' where she does "the fish dance" he uses A1 Detroit from Mini-Skirt on De Wolfe, but B1 is called Striptease which is most likely what took the editor to that record. Perhaps they used it thinking it was called 'Striptease' or they just put the wrong side on and decided it went well with the scene. These little tid-bits fascinate me.
Thanks for the finding.
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Bonus 🙂
What's also missing is
A42 - Comic Tension (a)
A54 - Nice Neighbours (c)
B16 - Down the Pan (b)
Thanks musictheorist. I've enjoyed the Cartoon Coda tracks and the two Nice Neighbours that were included. But you clearly had issues ripping this album such that there are a large number missing. Is there any chance you could re-rip it?
I agree. The rip sounds really messed up. However, the only track I wouldn't worry about is "Comic Tension (a)" as the audio on APM's website is correct for digital reissue of both LP and CD release, because it matches the duration on the album's back cover.
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I don't think it was really messed up- I chose to record just the ones asked for but some info dropped out as it does sometimes so a few tracks were missing and I didn't realise until everything was packed back away. It feels a bit ungrateful when I've gone to the trouble - my kit is not set up to record so I have to set it up especially.
Here's the unedited file in case I missed anything - pixeldrain.com/u/JgRhiJLh
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Right. Maybe I was being a little too overdramatic :o
To my ears, it sounded a bit glitchy like some tracks were playing sooner than expected just by going along with the track listing on the back cover. But all in all, thanks for fixing and re-upping the file for us. This is quite the treat! ;D
PS- You still skipped "Nice Neighbours (c)" + "Down the Pan" (b + c). Still would have loved to hear the actual tracks. Is there any chance you can do a quick rip of those tracks? Thanks in advance.
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I don't think it was really messed up- I chose to record just the ones asked for but some info dropped out as it does sometimes so a few tracks were missing and I didn't realise until everything was packed back away. It feels a bit ungrateful when I've gone to the trouble - my kit is not set up to record so I have to set it up especially.
Here's the unedited file in case I missed anything - pixeldrain.com/u/JgRhiJLh
It's been a busy weekend in the real world and I clearly lost the plot with this topic! Sorry Retro I hadn't realised it was your rip or that you were focussing on specific tracks. So no wonder it was a little haphazard! I'll pick the bones out of the WAV file you shared. Thanks.
It's not often our shares feature the spoken track number (thank goodness) but you have to marvel at the skill of the "announcer" especially at track nine where he tries to inject some lively interest to the whole proceedings.
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Ooh, I hadn’t noticed. They’re essential in these LPs with a hundred odd short tracks. The amount of times I’ve lost my life when they’re not there cos someone distracts me and then you’re physically counting each track on the Audacity track!
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I'll pick the bones out of the WAV file you shared. Thanks.
That's what I just did with Audacity! ;D
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... However, you can just do a quick rip of those three and then we'll call it even. ;)
And Retronic, I understand your pain, but you've only left out three tracks, so there's not too much to count up anyway. You can either stitch the tracks (A54, B16, B17) together into one file like with the previous one you shared (or separately if it makes it easier for you) and just leave it at that. No rush!
Sarcasm doesn't translate well online, kablamatic... and, of course, I do assume you're being sarcastic. I'd hate to think otherwise...
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I wasn't being sarcastic. I was just saying that it shouldn't be a problem for him if he can rip the last couple tracks he accidentally left out, as opposed to ripping the entire album, which I guess would have been a lot easier than just picking out random tracks. All I wanted were the tracks with the correct audio, because there are some on APM which sound too similar.
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Ooh, I hadn’t noticed. They’re essential in these LPs with a hundred odd short tracks. The amount of times I’ve lost my life when they’re not there cos someone distracts me and then you’re physically counting each track on the Audacity track!
They are A54 - Nice Neighbours (c), and B16/17 - Down the Pan (b + c)
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I've decided to return to this topic to mention two other KPM albums on APM's website that have duplicate or mismatched audio:
KPM CD 321 - LOGOS, LINKS & STINGS - PART 1: "Rock" 1 & 4 by Jan Cyrka sound exactly the same, but don't know which track is supposed to have a different soundtrack.
KPMLP 1317 (one half of CD 0021) "The Editor's Companion 1" by Dick Walter:
- "Multi National (a)" has the same audio as version "(b)", does not match the track description.
- "Global Expansion (a)" shares the same audio as "Volga Boat Men" from "The Editor's Companion 2" (KPMLP 1318).
- "Celebration" and "Good News (a)" have their first few seconds cut off.
Does anyone have a physical copy of either one of those albums for these tracks listed above to be ripped with the correct audio?
Many thanks in advance! :)
EDIT 9/1: I've also become aware of yet another track left out of the APM/KPM websites: "Pathfinders" by Graham De Wilde from KPM 1273 "The Red, White and Blue", if anyone has a rip of that track.
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I spoke to KPM a while ago about this because on KPMLP1299 - Classical Fusion - Graham De Wilde, track 9 should be 20th Century revolution (b), however they have simply uploaded a duplicate of track 8 (The main version).
KPM said that when they digitised the album they used the CD version, which did not include the alternate version (track 9)
Looks like this album isn't the only one to have tracks missing on the CD / Online versions.
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I spoke to KPM a while ago about this because on KPMLP1299 - Classical Fusion - Graham De Wilde, track 9 should be 20th Century revolution (b), however they have simply uploaded a duplicate of track 8 (The main version).
KPM said that when they digitised the album they used the CD version, which did not include the alternate version (track 9)
Looks like this album isn't the only one to have tracks missing on the CD / Online versions.
You're right. However, I've found a snippet of what sounds like version B of "20th Century Revolution" as it was used in "The Sword of Knowledge" the first chapter of the "Eye of Eternia" story from "4 Masters of the Universe Stories", a Golden Book Video release:
dropbox.com/scl/fi/jn7h3mvw2sk12urkwxkf5/he_man_20centuryrevB.wav?rlkey=1zt9tixvjxl27up7fyy93ck21&dl=0
Notice how similar the melody is from version "a"?
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I spoke to KPM a while ago about this because on KPMLP1299 - Classical Fusion - Graham De Wilde, track 9 should be 20th Century revolution (b), however they have simply uploaded a duplicate of track 8 (The main version).
KPM said that when they digitised the album they used the CD version, which did not include the alternate version (track 9)
Looks like this album isn't the only one to have tracks missing on the CD / Online versions.
You're right. However, I've found a snippet of what sounds like version B of "20th Century Revolution" as it was used in "The Sword of Knowledge" the first chapter of the "Eye of Eternia" story from "4 Masters of the Universe Stories", a Golden Book Video release:
dropbox.com/scl/fi/jn7h3mvw2sk12urkwxkf5/he_man_20centuryrevB.wav?rlkey=1zt9tixvjxl27up7fyy93ck21&dl=0
Notice how similar the melody is from version "a"?
That is indeed version B, well done for spotting that, Steve Wright also used it as his theme when he was on Radio 1.
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musictheorist shared this with me a while ago on Discord. Correct soundtrack.
Still waiting on KPM 1273, 1299, 1317 (one half of CD 21), and KPM CD 321.